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Of course doing less total work will slow things down, but on the flipside, creating a tulpa has no strict time requirement in the first place.

2:14 AM

The important part of this, and the topic of "passive forcing", is that you still need to focus to ever create a tulpa. Spending an hour vaguely talking "at" your tulpa without truly focusing on them or intending to hear them respond will not make you much progress at all. But focusing very intently for even just 30 seconds a handful of times a day when you have a moment, really focusing and intending on your tulpa being listening and wanting to respond, will make that progress.

2:14 AM

Basically, it's less about the quantity and more about the quality of forcing.

2:15 AM

In the end the two are multiplied to equal your total progress, though. More time will obviously always help more than less, if it's of the same quality of focus/intent.

Ah ok that makes a lot of sense

2:16 AM

Just another thing, what kind of stuff should I talk with them about? With them being non vocal at the moment, it is kind of hard to just come up with stuff to talk about without being able to have a 2 way conversation

Tewi: A very simple and common route for practicing initial vocality is simply talking to your tulpa about your day or things that you've been thinking about, while focusing on them/intending for them to be trying to respond. (edited)

2:17 AM

Potentially, this alone could bring you from the start to the end of the tulpa development process, if it just clicks for you.

Gotcha

2:21 AM

One last thing, I’m sorry for all of the seemingly simple questions, but how would you describe projecting your thoughts towards your tulpa, I think I have it right, but I am not 100% sure.

like talking to someone without the part where you speak out loud

Tewi: Just thinking with the intent for them to be listening, really. Later on, it's just thinking at them while their sense of presence is there. Though, we do occasionally say something at one of our systemmates before they're even conscious, and while they respond quickly, I might say it feels more like calling to someone who's not in the same room as you. Just random nuance though, not important for developing vocality, just make sure you're focusing on them. (edited)

So my question is more I guess about mental health like DID and I'm wondering with how this is explained if some people who "faked" DID really just had Tulpas I mean they weren't actually affected in thier day to day life and the other personalities did seem to be independent and they talked to them very similarly to the way you guys seem to talk to your Tulpas.. I'm just wondering if that may be the case? (edited)

It’s possible, but then again, plurality is a spectrum. You can form from trauma and not have symptoms of DID, it’s all different depending on the system.

4:13 AM

So sure, some systems who thought they initially had DID but realized they didn’t could be tulpa systems, or they also could not be, no way of knowing unless they tell you.

I guess I ask because I always thought I may have DID due to having CPTSD but when I go to get checked they always say that's impossible since I am aware of the other personalities and don't black out and thought I was faking for attention but to me they all feel real as anyone else with thier own stories and thoughts and I didn't even know about Tulpas until recently and I'm wondering if really it was that and me being lonely

It could be some other dissociative disorder, like OSDD, or you could be plural without a diagnosis, that's a thing.

Especially the part where they take control but you are completely aware

Mhm, a lot of systems encounter that, like I said, you can be plural without a medical condition to back it.

What is plural if I may ask I'll look up OSDD RN

Plurality is the experience of having multiple people, alters, parts, tulpas, etc. in one body. Essentially, it's being a system.

4:19 AM

It encompasses most types of systemhood, including disordered/medically diagnosable systems, tulpa systems, and more.

Oh okays sorry for the questions that might seem ignorant I'm still kinda new to this but thank you for entertaining my questions nonetheless

Mhm, it's no problem, I don't mind answering things

Is it safe or healthy to create a tulpa (first most for a friendship) but also to see if it really is the same? Or is that generally frowned upon?

I mean, you can do whatever you'd like, but if you're going to make a tulpa just to experiment with, you'll have to be willing to spend the rest of your life with them.

That is something I don't mind truly and I don't want just to experiment I feel that is a bit gross I guess I was seeing it as two birds with one stone type situation I get a new friend that I could be more active with growth and to see if it was the same but mostly I am intrigued with having a new friend if that makes sense

Mhm, that makes sense. That sounds like a fairly normal and fine reason to make a tulpa, so I'd say go for it after you've looked into it and made your choice well.

I am worried about how my mental health is going to effect my tulpa. I am a diagnosed paranoid-skitzophrenic (I am on the less severe side and I can live my life normally for the most part but there are times where it gets very

-) I have discussed this with them and they all try to be positive about it but I'm still worried?

Tewi: Schizophrenia can definitely make tulpamancy hard. Tulpamancy requires you to be invested in purely mental phenomena, but doing that with schizophrenia may very well open you up to being hurt. Tulpas aren't automatically immune and separate from it, unfortunately. (edited)

9:15 AM

You have to know for yourself whether you can balance control and immersion in tulpamancy to a point that it's still a positive experience, or if the practice will just be an overall net negative for you.

9:16 AM

(We have seen a good number of people with schizophrenia on both ends of this, some not seeming to experience much trouble at all, and others who we were very worried about practicing tulpamancy) (edited)

I guess I ask because I always thought I may have DID due to having CPTSD but when I go to get checked they always say that's impossible since I am aware of the other personalities and don't black out and thought I was faking for attention but to me they all feel real as anyone else with thier own stories and thoughts and I didn't even know about Tulpas until recently and I'm wondering if really it was that and me being lonely

@💜❤Brain Dead Gurl❤💜 - jump what people forget is that did/osdd are not the only ways of explaining what you are describing which is why it’s such a terrible idea to get a medical advice from randoms online

9:30 AM

differential diagnosis exist

9:31 AM

leave it to the doctors and don’t listen to the suggestions it might be osdd

it’s especially important if you are more suggestible due to cptsd

So this is kind of an abstract question, so bear with me.

3:17 PM

How would you know whether you're parallel processing or not?

3:17 PM

It's such a difficult concept for us, especially working on it in its beginning stages, it's hard to tell if we're making tangible progress.

try to do two novel, simple mental tasks separately, and then at the same time and compare the time difference

Yeah, we get two people and have them sit back to back and focus on two different things in our wonderland

3:37 PM

But we have the issue of reading each other's thoughts while it's happening, or switching between thoughts as opposed to having two lines of thought at once.

3:37 PM

So it's been hard to tell if we're even close to pulling something off.

sounds like not parallel processing to me i’m aftaid

Yeaaaap.

3:41 PM

We're just starting off, so hopefully in time we'll make progress.

3:41 PM

Is it something that's immediately recognizable?

No-one has been able to prove anything similar to parallel processing yet so dont get your hopes up. (edited)

To be fair, we know systems who state they're capable of it.

3:48 PM

And I know some systems have a fully active innerworld while the fronters go about their business. We're mainly trying to see if we can do it to sustain our wonderland while we have fronters focus on outer activities.

Then either we dont agree on what it means to parallel process, they are lying or they are the first ones to get it...

3:48 PM

That i know of. (edited)

leviine

And I know some systems have a fully active innerworld while the fronters go about their business. We're mainly trying to see if we can do it to sustain our wonderland while we have fronters focus on outer activities.

Thats probably not true.

3:49 PM

Some systems confabulate content about what happened on innerworld when they were away... But thats different.

Usually I say parallel processing isn't possible, but tbh I want to see people push boundaries with tulpamancy I might share my thoughts later when I have time

Parallel processing as I define it would basically equate to complex multitasking where multiple people can function with multiple activities.

We agree on the definition then.

3:52 PM

Do we agree that to test for this it must be 2 completely new tasks?

Different, not necessarily new. Imo, at least.

To avoid the person from just training on those 2 specific tasks until they are automatic.

3:53 PM

If they did that, they could "parallel process" on those specific 2 tasks but not on any other 2.

Someone could try something in wonderland that's simple, say, walking a set path. The other could do something basic in outerworld, like reading a simple sentence.

So that woudnt be parallel processing.

At least for our desired goal of using it to help sustain an innerworld.

You can just confabulate.

3:54 PM

If you start imagining new stuff in innerworld you will lose attention from what you are reading.

That's why it would likely be something we're familiar with, for the beginning, of course.

3:55 PM

So we don't need to exert more energy imagining how it looks like from scratch

And I know some systems have a fully active innerworld while the fronters go about their business. We're mainly trying to see if we can do it to sustain our wonderland while we have fronters focus on outer activities.

@leviine - jump that’s called daydreaming

I would say that at the very least the same multitasking hability is possible with and without tulpamancy.

you probably can do that when you do something you were trained in, like driving

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you probably can do that when you do something you were trained in, like driving

I woudnt do it while driving :S

people can get into very deep conversations while driving

3:57 PM

that’s why i said test should involve novel tasks

You might run into issues there where you can learn to do the individual things you practice, but have trouble generalizing that skill out to doing "real" parallel processing. Like, you can get good with your tulpa walking in circles, but find it's difficult for them to do anything but walk in circles.

it works the other way too

3:58 PM

if you are good in doing somethinf, it’s automatic

3:58 PM

so your tulpa can do a lot in the wonderland

Mhm. I imagine that if it's something that can be trained, it would take a lot of time and energy to keep it up.

4:03 PM

Like, it's got to take years to pull off.

4:03 PM

We personally believe it's possible, but being able to actually do it to any level in which it benefits us is another story.

You can certainly try. We just haven't seen anyone proving it...

4:05 PM

And i believe its also the scientific consensus that we dont really multitask. (edited)

I mean, Abvieons guide exists (I think it was them who wrote it), which implies someone somewhere at least thinks they can do it, and they present a viable method in which it could theoretically be replicated.

4:06 PM

So it's worth a shot, I say.

4:06 PM

It's a matter of experimentation.

Probably because they simplified multitasking as we did before, to a task that you already do automatically. (edited)

I believe it encompasses that, but also goes on to expand upon it. They clearly define parallel processing and how it differs from multitasking.

4:08 PM

At the very least, if we could even do the thing you described above with relative consistency, I'd be happy with that.

Do what sorry?

It would benefit us regardless of the complexity, so I'm willing to give it a shot to see how far I can get it to go.

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Probably because they simplified multitasking as we did before, to a task that you already do automatically. (edited)

This. We're not super good at this, but getting better at it would benefit us regardless of whether we accomplish true parallel processing.

Thats a better expectation i think. Its easy to daydream for us for example. I think its more often a problem of being aware that it happened more than doing it.

We can daydream vividly on account of doing since childhood, but doing both an activity and simple daydreaming at once would be quite interesting.

I sometimes walk past my house because i got to absorted in my thoughts and realize a bit further away, has this happened to you?

4:13 PM

We are talking automatic activities like walking or driving or stuff like that, dont expect to daydream while reading a book and then perfectly remember everything. (edited)

Yeah, thays valid.

4:14 PM

I'm trying to keep my expectations low for now, but I want to see how far I can take this, and whether I can ever obtain anything truly impressive.

4:19 PM

I'll definitely log it for progress' sake.

good luck with that